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Interview with Mark Levine

During late January, the Nonfiction Universe was privileged to interview writer Mark Levine. The digital dialogue included thoughts about nonfiction writing and poetry, his influences, current events, and advice for up-and-coming writers.

NU: How did you start writing as a professional nonfiction writer? As a poet?  In what publications has your nonfiction writing appeared?

ML: I got my MFA in poetry and focused on the ordinary struggles of a young poet to get by--moving all over the country to take temporary teaching jobs, and so on.  In 1994-5 I spent a year at Princeton on a writing fellowship. I was quite bored and isolated there.  One night, on a lark, I went to a performance by a juggler named Michael Moschen.  I sat by myself in an audience comprised mostly of small children and their parents.  I was transfixed by the performance.  It seemed to me that the juggler was exploring, in highly articulate--though silent--manner, many of the issues that concerned me in poetry:  the relationship to matter (in the juggler's case, abstract forms like spheres, triangles, rods); the intricacies of pattern; the problems and possibilities of symbolic action.  The juggler's work struck me as an allegory of imaginative process.  A week later, I was describing the juggler to an acquaintance, and through a series of lucky chances found myself offered an assignment to write about him for The New Yorker.  I had no sense of what I was doing.  I certainly didn't think of it as "reporting."  But it worked out--not without many missteps--and before long I had the opportunity to write on a lot of topics that were unfamiliar to me.  It seemed like a great way to exercise my curiosity.  Mostly I did profiles of odd people--people who, like the juggler, were artists working in media unrecognized as "artistic."  I also began to write about places in
which various kinds of disaster had struck, or were about to strike.  I wrote about toxic contamination and dam-building and flooding and other calamities.  These subjects, too, seemed to resonate with my interests in poetry.  I wrote the standard-issue pieces for The New Yorker and, later, The New York Times Magazine; the more adventurous pieces--aesthetically and physically--were written mostly for places like Outside and Men's Journal. I've continued writing and teaching poetry all along.  Poetry is my over-riding priority.


NU: When writing nonfiction or poetry, the writer approaches history and the account of that history in different voices, techniques, and traditions.  In the tradition of nonfiction, the form of the writing is guided by a linear account of events and tends to be "objective" in its description of events.  In poetry, the form allows a different agency and, from his agency, a certain subjective account of events is given truth-value. You write both nonfiction and poetry, how do you approach the differences of these forms/genres in their accounts of historical events and what does each form/genre do that the other can’t?

ML: The best response I can give to this question is strictly personal.  For me, writing--whether poetry or prose--is how one gets to grapple with the "given":  with the data that each of us confronts as the stuff of history, memory, reportage, or everyday experience.  In order to arrive at something that feels like the"truth" of the matter, I think we often need to strip an experience of interpretations and ideas--what we believe we "understand" about it--and try to encounter it as if for the first time. That's hard to do-especially under deadline; and especially in commercial magazines where there's not much tolerance for the kind of unmediated ambiguity that poets tend to recognize as the attribute of "truth."  In poetry and prose, the forms and expectations and readerships are different but the means are essentially similar.  We try to find the right words.  We try to be precise and accurate and clear.  We try not to betray the complexity of our subject. Poetry often tries to make claims for the reality of states of consciousness--of sensation, of inwardness--that don't get a lot of respect in the commerce of the everyday.  But at its best, nonfiction prose treads the same ground:  it argues, implicitly, for the inextricability of what we experience and what we feel.  And, on the other hand, the strongest poetry gives us an unrivalled account of our reality.  I'm probably someone who believes that, in the end, a people are known to us most vividly by the imaginative artifacts they leave behind.  Which is to say, I'm a believer in the information value of art--of poetry, painting, architecture, etc.--and one who hopes that information can, itself, aspire towards a poetics.

NU: What do you think of current historical events (the war on terrorism, the invasion of Iraq, and the coming election)? What is the responsibility of a writer in these times?

ML: My personal views on the large events of the day are quite unexceptional.  I find these times to be dismal.  I don't like what we've learned about ourselves in the past few years. I think a writer has the same responsibility as anyone else:  to be alert; to resist complicity and inertia; to strive toward precision of feeling and action, even if that 'action' is in writing; to be 'courageous' on one's own terms.  I admire activists but I'm not one.

NU: As an accomplished nonfiction writer and poet, what would you recommend to up-and-coming writers of both forms/genres?

ML: The hardest thing, I think, is to develop the skills and confidence that allow one to be oneself in writing.  Writers are often insecure people with a deep need for approval.  But I often find--in myself and others--that when one's work is constructed so as to seek approval, the force and individuality of the writing is often undermined.  So in addition to technique, one needs a certain amount of fearlessness.

NU: And in conclusion,what nonfiction books are you currently reading and would recommend? What nonfiction books are essential books for you?

ML: I admire John McPhee a great deal.  I love Elias Canetti's "Crowds and Power," Rachel Carson's "The Sea Around Us," and James Galvin's "The Meadow."  I'm very interested in certain hybrid texts--books that include nonfiction without being nonfiction:  above all, the work of W.G. Sebald and Georges Perec.  In a similar vein, I'm interested in the way writers like Don Delillo, Richard Powers, Kenzaburo Oe, and JM Coetzee incorporate essay, history, and memoir within novelistic form.

Interview conducted via email by J. Michael Martinez

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